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标题: 哪位大神说说，日本的饥饿JET测试大概需要多少时刻？ [打印本页]

作者: 有机硅测试技术 时间: 2013-2-19 21:21
标题: 哪位大神说说，日本的饥饿JET测试大概需要多少时刻？
我们公司来了日本客户，说是必须要通过JET认证才行。老板想知道JET认证的周期

作者: admin 时间: 2013-2-19 22:05
有个网友梦幻提醒大家：按照代理机构给的Word版本资料对IEC61730-1部分的内容就可以，一个个填写就行。如果材料的资料不行，尽快替换

作者: 硅胶板 时间: 2013-2-19 22:30
还有就是安装说明书了，那个技术申告书会搞死人的，这部分有点难度，其实只要供应商配合，很简单滴

作者: Irene 时间: 2013-2-20 10:23
做个一两年的很正常

作者: 光伏达人 时间: 2013-2-20 10:26
晶科，昱辉的？
还是ET 的
现在大家都在搞JET
不好搞！！！

作者: Jamie 时间: 2013-2-20 10:32

硅胶板发表于 2013-2-19 22:30
还有就是安装说明书了，那个技术申告书会搞死人的，这部分有点难度，其实只要供应商配合，很简单滴 ...

是的

作者: 梦幻 时间: 2013-2-21 12:38
时间周期很难说的！！！！
该死的安装说明书（技术申告书）！！！！

作者: 梦幻 时间: 2013-2-25 09:31
Forward : Japan’s certification maze

Gaining certification in Japan can be a lengthy process. Image: Powerway Energy.Blogger

Carrie Xiao

Japan’s solar market has begun heating up following the introduction of a new feed in tariff (FiT), which became effective on 1 July 2012. The new FiT will purchase any renewable energy at a fixed price, and the government will provide a FiT of JPY42/kW (US$0.45), which is more than twice that of Germany’s FiT, and three times China’s.

Manufacturing costs are still quite high for Japan’s solar supply chain, with Japanese companies generally unable to compete with their overseas rivals on price. So although Sharp, Kyocera, Panasonic and other local module companies have benefited directly from the FiT, the advantages are very limited and the new FiT policy has aroused more interest in countries such as China than among local Japanese firms.

But while many Chinese companies particularly have been developing strategies for the Japanese market, the reality is that many have found their attempts thwarted. When asked why, many companies say it is much more difficult to trade in Japan than it at first appears, and that one of the biggest problems is certification.

Equipment certification in Japan
In the Japanese market, two certifications are key to entry: J-PEC (from the Japan Photovoltaic Expansion Center); and JET (from the Japan Electrical Safety and Environment Technology Laboratories).

J-PEC is the kite mark for the Japanese residential rooftop solar generating system market. The FiT for residential rooftop PV generating systems can only be gained with this certification, and residential rooftop projects currently account for over 80% of the whole Japanese solar market. It was estimated that the residential PV system would reach 1,256MW at the end of 2012 and continue to grow thereafter.

According to Mr Long, Director of WWB, a residential PV system needs a local legal person or an agency under whose name the system will be listed in J-PEC, and the user can apply for the subsidies after the installation. According to statistics, over 70 companies had acquired the J-PEC certification by April 2012, spreading over several markets including Japan itself, Korea, Taiwan, Mainland China, Germany, US, Singapore and India. Of these companies Chinese firms (both owned-brands and agencies) numbered around 13, and most major companies were included – the likes of Suntech, Canadian Solar, Trina Solar, Hanwha SolarOne, Yingli, JA Solar and others.

JET, meanwhile, is mainly for bigger rooftop systems and ground-mounted projects. To obtain a JET certification, tests relating to modules’ reliability, safety and other aspects need to be conducted.

Again, very few outside companies have received JET certifications. Among those that have are Suntech, Yingli, Trina, LDK and Canadian Solar. Suntech and Canadian Solar entered the Japanese market in the early years before it was on other companies’ radars. Since western markets began to slow down, many module manufacturers have been looking for new markets (see table below). But Japanese certifications have become harder to get, making it more difficult for others to follow Suntech and Canadian Solar’s lead.

Major Chinese module manufacturers in Japan Major Japanese module manufacturers Other module manufacturers in Japan
Canadian Solar Sharp Hanhwa
JA Solar Kyocera LG
Suntech Mitsubishi Electric LS Industrials
Trina Solar Sanyo S-Energy
Yingli Toshiba Getwatt
CSUN Choshu Industry Hyudai Heavy Industries
EGing PV KANEKA Hansol
Chaori Solar Energy Showa-Shell H.R.D.Singaore
Up Solar KIXIL AblyTek
Zhejiang Sunflower Honda Delsolar
Jiangsu Green Paul LS Industrial Systems Motech
Linuo Others Nexpower Technology
AU Optronics Powercom
Phono Solar Gintech
Neo Solar Power

Major module manufacturers in Japan market. Source (partial): Solarbuzz

JET recently recognised several companies’ products, including Sopray Solar and AU Optronics; other companies, including Zhejiang Sunflower, Risen Energy, Hareon Solar and others are still going through the application process, but there have been complaints the process is very slow. The current situation for the companies who have Japanese J-PEC and JET certifications is summarised in the table below.

Besides these companies, Linuo Solar and Phono Solar also have J-PEC, but not JET certification. And as well as modules, inverters are also becoming more difficult to get JET-certified. Compared to the number of inverter companies currently active in the industry globally, only a handful have managed to get JET certification, including SMA, LS Industrial Systems and Taiwan Delta Electronics.

J-PEC JET
Company name Number of product types certified Company name Number of product certified
Suntech 117 Yingli Green 83
Canadian Solar
39 Trina Solar 60
Trina Solar 39 Suntech 57
Hanhwa 19 LDK 27
Yingli Green 9 Canadian Solar 21
JA Solar 2 JA Solar In process
CSUN In process

Major Chinese module manufacturers with J-PEC and JET certifications, as of April 2012. Source: Pacific Epoch.

The difficulties of JET
Comparatively, JET accreditation is harder to get than J-PEC. As regards whether JET certification is a must-have, opinion seems divided. A few companies say they could enter Japan market without a JET certificate, but most companies believe JET is a necessity.

In fact, although the Japanese government and community projects require a JET certification, it has not become mandatory yet. But because Japan is becoming a PV hotspot, many analysts are expecting this will change. J-PEC is not mandatory either, but it will be demanded if modules and inverters are looking to apply for subsidies.

For the process of getting a JET certification, “very difficult” is a frequent comment in the industry. Why?

One reason is that in the Japanese market, the key attribute for PV products is not price, but quality and service. Since most modules need to work for over 25 years, Japanese end users have higher requirements for what they purchase – they need a manufacturing company to be able to run for more than 25 years; for this, they have more confidence in local companies.

Meanwhile, Japan is a conservative market. As an officially appointed testing organisation, JET has a very rigorous procedure – the examination time is long and a pass is not guaranteed. According to some industry experts, this situation is related to what JET aims for: Japanese consumers have a strong focus on the safety issues of electronic products and the market is relatively large, therefore JET wants to protect its customers and to a certain extent does not want overseas products to enter Japan, especially from companies who do not have subsidiary branches or agencies. Therefore, many JET applications do not progress after submission.

Companies also say JET requires testing reports for many subtle parts of a PV product – reports for UV tests on backsheets, for waterproofing on the sealing of junction boxes, a third party’s report for waterproofing on cable connectors and many more. Phono Solar, which got its J-PEC certification in April 2012, told PV-Tech that the local certifications in Japan are relatively “more strict”, and Japanese people have a rigorous way of doing things. “Every single step, from very beginning to the very end, is carefully done. They think what they are doing is the best, but in fact, all the testing content and procedure are the same as those international tests, so basically, there is no difference. It is just a nation’s attitude,” a company spokesman says.

Rhett Wang, General Director of Asia Pacific in Interteck’s Commercial & Electrical Energy and Environmental business department, who is familiar with JET certification, adds: “There are some additional requirements that differentiate JET from the [certifying bodies] in other areas, and some detailed requirements do have JET’s uniqueness; for example JET has a harsher understanding for IEC’s [International Electrotechnical Commission] requirements, and its interpreting for PV is more specific than average certification body laboratories, which will lead to extra testing. What’s more, the application documents for JET certification are more complicated than average, therefore if a company doesn’t have sufficient knowledge of the technologies, Japanese languages or application procedures, it is almost impossible to succeed.”

Looking for a way in
Many companies are looking for all possible channels to obtain certifications. Some go through the testing organisations, while others go for agencies or ‘DIY’. Going through a testing organisation is a common and conventional way. Since this is a widespread market and each country has its own standards and regulations, there are many different third-party testing organisations currently serving in PV industry, including TÜV Rheinland, TÜV SUD, TÜV Nord Cert GmbH, Intertek and more

In terms of modules, as of the end of 2011, J-PEC only acknowledges the reports from TÜV (Japan), TÜV Rheinland and TÜV SUD, along with the ones from VDE and Intertek. Products with reports from these organisations could get the Japanese J-PEC certification. For JET certification, Intertek is currently the only third party organisation in China able to operate for JET. According to Rhett Wang from Intertek: “JET included Intertek in its trustable list in 2008, which means our reports could be used to certify the products and therefore, to apply for Japanese governmental subsidies.’

Since the end of 2010, J-PEC and JET certifications have become even harder to get. Japan market is now deemed as a high-end market; therefore, for companies looking to be accepted by this market, their products are treated as high-end products. TÜV Rheinland confirms there are two things needed for getting the certification: testing reports and factory inspections. Factory inspections are done by JET, and the testing reports need to be issued from laboratories recognised by JET.

Due to time reasons, JET’s factory inspection needs careful arrangement; currently, the list of companies waiting for JET’s approve of testing reports is incredibly long, and whether all the companies will get what they want is still in question.

Of course, with all the efforts companies are going to in an attempt to break into Japan, it is expected that the number of JET certifications will increase. But it remains to be seen which ones will succeed

作者: 有机硅测试技术 时间: 2013-2-26 15:02
日本女人的裹脚布，又臭又长......岂止是光伏，哪个行业要进日本市场都不容易啊！

作者: angela斑斑 时间: 2013-3-17 18:15
在中国做JET认证除了intertek天祥，还有其它服务商吗？是不是CQC也可以啊，他们和JET好象有互相认可的协议的。

作者: 硅胶板 时间: 2013-3-17 21:11
楼上所说的JET认证是指一般的电器项目的认证，用于光伏的JET认证的全称是JET-pvm，CQC和JET的相互认可或许是常规电器项目测试。光伏是刚开始的，可能没有包括。JET PVm 是由日本电气安全环境研究所JET（Japan Electrical Safety & Environment Technology Laboratories）所颁发的认证，JET于平成15年4月（2003年4月）获得JETPVm认证资格，开始从事太阳能电池组件的相关认证和产品检测。并为多家企业做过该项认证。JET PVm 认证的对象是：在地上设置的太阳光发电系统使用的非聚光形的地上用结晶系统太阳能电池模块或者非聚光形的地上用薄膜系统太阳能电池模块，最大系统电压超过45V。JET PVm 认证是对太阳能电池组件的性能、信赖性及安全性的确保认证，获得证书的企业可以享受日本相关政府机构提供的补贴。
我也是从下面这个帖子的链接里看来的。 http://www.testpv.com/forum.php? ... &extra=page%3D1

作者: devin 时间: 2013-3-20 12:45
好多机构都可以做JET认证的，代理性质的，速度的快慢主要看各个机机构跟JET的关系以及其本身的影响力了

作者: 有机硅测试技术 时间: 2013-3-22 15:22
做JET认证除了在天祥的实验室，还有别的实验室可以做吗？JET在中国有没有光伏实验室呢？不从天祥做，直接从JET或者其代理是不是要送到日本去做啊？

作者: 有机硅测试技术 时间: 2013-4-1 22:34
在日本市场，主要有两种认证：由日本太阳能光电协会(JapanPhotovoltaicEnergyAssociation)颁发的日本住宅顶部太阳能系统JPEC认证以及日本电气安全环境研究所JET(JapanElectricalSafety&EnvironmentTechnologyLaboratories)颁发的太阳能组件JET认证。

如果中国制造商要想进入日本地面电站市场，首先需得到JET认证。而在国内，目前拿到此认证的企业仅为7家：尚德、阿特斯、天合、英利、赛维LDK、索日以及Upsolar。

作者: devin 时间: 2013-4-2 14:55

有机硅测试技术发表于 2013-3-22 15:22
做JET认证除了在天祥的实验室，还有别的实验室可以做吗？JET在中国有没有光伏实验室呢？不从天祥做，直接从 ...

JET在中国没有实验室，并且JET在日本的自己的实验室本身也不大，测试能力有限。从其它机构做也不需要送样至日本进行测试，JET可接受其它认证机构的CB报告。

作者: 硅胶板 时间: 2013-4-2 23:05
做了好多测试认证吧，好专业！进日本市场不容易，进去了好好守住也不容易，就怕出问题。出点小差错，重新验次厂，烦死你。

作者: 梦幻 时间: 2013-4-3 14:41
JET 每个年度的厂检很麻烦的！！！

作者: 硅胶板 时间: 2013-4-7 08:54
日本太阳能光电协会(JapanPhotovoltaicEnergyAssociation)颁发的日本住宅顶部太阳能系统JPEC认证，这个有人做过吗？有没有熟悉的，提供点资料？

作者: devin 时间: 2013-4-8 10:32
JPEC好像是Japan Photovoltaic expansion center的简写？JPEC必须由日本当地法人或代理商的名义取得日本太阳能发是普及扩大中心的JPEC列名，然后系统安装后用户才能向日本申请JPEC补助金。JPEC一般是针对屋顶光伏系统，规模小于10kw的。

作者: 有机硅测试技术 时间: 2013-4-18 22:00
VDE提供JET认证进入日本市场

2012年8月1日，VDE-CPVT系列培训第四期“日本JET认证，JIS Q8901认证最新光伏政策解读及测试技术研讨会"在国家光伏质检中心胜利召开。

2012年自福岛核泄漏危机之后，日本政府重新审视了过往国家能源政策。本次上网电价补贴政策已于7月1日开始实施，日本政府发展再生能源的决心在日本能源历史上虽非史无前例，但也称得上异常坚决。

日本政府此举不仅旨在斩断对核能的依赖，还有对昂贵石油与天然气的能源需求。该政策要求日本公共事业单位以预设好的高价来购买诸如太阳能、风能与地热等可再生能源产生的电力，期限为20年。成本将通过较高的电费账单转向消费者。

日本政府将为光伏发电提供每千瓦时42日元的补贴，该数据是德国补贴金额的两倍，中国补贴金额的三倍之多。在不到十年里，诸如德国这类国家的可再生能源业在政府补贴政策的刺激下呈几何级迅速发展。

日本VDE GS 总裁Nishimura san针对日本的光伏市场做了分析，并详细阐述了日本现在的光伏发电补贴政策的优势。现场的光伏企业对此非常感兴趣，同时日本VDE GS 总裁Nishimura san还说，VDE可以提供 JIS Q 8901 的认证服务，和JET认证的服务。中国的组件供应商可以在VDE的帮助下拿到JET认证进入日本光伏市场。我们相信接下来日本太阳能市场面临的巨大改变将来自大批低价光伏制造商的登陆，同时拥有JET认证的组件供应商也会越来越多。

作者: devin 时间: 2013-4-20 22:25

有机硅测试技术发表于 2013-4-18 22:00
VDE提供JET认证进入日本市场

2012年8月1日，VDE-CPVT系列培训第四期“日本JET认证，JIS Q8901认证最 ...

作者: xiaxino 时间: 2013-5-3 16:16
一年間か一年間半をかかります。

作者: Zeit008 时间: 2013-5-13 09:17
周期漫长啊啊

作者: 中国光伏测试网 时间: 2013-5-24 19:56
貌似我们公司也有在做的。

作者: janson3031 时间: 2013-7-2 14:15
JET如果快的话大概需要半年左右，要看和日本方面的关系，说白了，人家也是人，也要看关系。

作者: block950 时间: 2013-7-13 15:00

JET报给测试周期是6-7个月，但是中国企业就没准了

作者: ✿o○纞灬Kevin 时间: 2013-8-7 12:45

angela斑斑发表于 2013-3-17 18:15
在中国做JET认证除了intertek天祥，还有其它服务商吗？是不是CQC也可以啊，他们和JET好象有互相认可的协议 ...

VDE GS 上海也可以提供JET 认证服务

作者: 大姚 时间: 2013-12-11 09:51
本帖最后由大姚于 2013-12-11 09:53 编辑

亲，JET拿下了吗？如有需要，可以联系我们 TUV SUD
我是北区的，联系上海就好。

作者: zzgwlx 时间: 2014-1-1 11:27

devin 发表于 2013-4-2 14:55
JET在中国没有实验室，并且JET在日本的自己的实验室本身也不大，测试能力有限。从其它机构做也不需要送样 ...

是的日本JET认可CB报告

作者: zzgwlx 时间: 2014-1-1 11:28

block950 发表于 2013-7-13 15:00
JET报给测试周期是6-7个月，但是中国企业就没准了

最快也要8个月的时间

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